Wrong Ball vs. Wrong Place

Confusion about golf violation rules regarding hitting a wrong ball and hitting a ball from wrong location explained. To avoid eliminating the authenticity of the ruling, please check the link below. Otherwise, see the contents of this link further down this page.

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Ask Linda #98-Wrong Ball vs. Wrong Place

Linda, Do you have an easy way to explain the difference between a wrong ball and playing from a wrong place (i.e., a ball played from where it was set aside, which is a wrong ball, and a ball played at a place your marker was moved to)? Rules can get technical and you have a way with words and can maybe explain the difference well. Even though the penalty is the same, one needs to be corrected and the other one not. Curious Lulu in Puerto Rico Dear Lulu, The answer to this question involves an understanding of the definition of “wrong ball” and “wrong place,” an explanation of the penalty for each infraction, and finally some examples that I hope will help to clarify the difference. I. Wrong ball A ball is a “wrong ball” if it is another player’s ball, an abandoned ball, or even your own ball if you have taken it temporarily out of play by marking and lifting it. In this last instance (and here’s where it gets a little tricky), the ball is not in play until you replace it where it was marked; if you place it elsewhere and play it, it is a still a wrong ball, and not a ball played from the wrong place. It remains a wrong ball until it is properly put back into play. The following balls can never be “wrong:” your ball that is in play, your provisional ball or a second ball that you play under Rule 3-3 when you are in doubt as to the proper procedure. The penalty for playing a wrong ball is loss of hole in match play. In stroke play, you are penalized two strokes, and you must abandon the wrong ball and play the correct ball from the correct spot. Do not count the strokes you took playing the wrong ball. II. Wrong place You have played from the wrong place if you (1) hit a ball from a place not permitted under the rules; (2) if you were required to re-drop a ball and did not do so (e.g., your dropped ball rolls into a hazard, or rolls more than two club-lengths – for a complete list, see Rule 20-2c); or (3) if you move a ball and fail to replace it (Rule 20-7a). The penalty for playing from a wrong place is loss of hole in match play. In stroke play, there is a two stroke penalty and you must continue playing the hole with the ball you played from the wrong place. However, if you suspect you may have gained a significant advantage by playing from the wrong place, then you must play a second ball from the correct place, report the facts to the Committee, and await its decision as to which ball will count. Under these circumstances, if you do not play a second ball, and the Committee rules that you gained a significant advantage, you will be disqualified for committing what is known as a “serious breach” of the rules (Rule 20-7c). The difference between a wrong ball and a wrong place is the same everywhere on the golf course. Lulu, since you made references in your question to a “moved marker” and to “setting the ball aside,” actions that most typically occur on a putting green, I will use examples of infractions that might occur on the green to try to help to clarify the differences for you. Let’s begin with a wrong ball. I trust that everyone understands that someone else’s ball or an abandoned ball are both “wrong” balls. The penalty and procedure are straightforward, and are explained above (see I, penalty for wrong ball). However, the concept that your original ball no longer in play is a “wrong” ball is not intuitive, and may be better explained using a concrete example: Suppose someone else in your group marks your ball on the green and sets it aside. If you proceed to putt from that spot where it was set aside, you have played a wrong ball. This is because once a ball has been lifted, it is out of play. Even though you are playing your original ball, it is defined as a “wrong ball” because it has not officially been put back in play (this might be a good time to review the definitions of Wrong Ball and Ball in Play in Section II at the beginning of your rule book). The penalty in match play is loss of hole. The penalty for putting this wrong ball is a little tricky in stroke play. If you knew it had been set aside, then your penalty is two strokes, and you must now place the ball on the correct spot and hole out (don’t count the strokes made with the wrong ball). If you did not know it had been set aside, there is no penalty, and your procedure is as follows: If you discover the error before teeing off on the next hole, you would have to return to the putting green, place your ball on the correct spot (estimate as best you can), and putt out; if you become aware of the error after teeing off, the score with the wrong ball would stand (Decision 15-3b/3). Let’s take a look now at playing from a wrong place. The most common example on the putting green occurs when you have been asked to mark your ball one putter-head length to the side and you forget to replace it before putting. You have played a ball from a “wrong place.” The penalty in match play is loss of hole. In stroke play, you must complete the hole with this ball, the score stands, and your penalty is two strokes. Another example of playing from a wrong place on a putting green would be if you mistakenly place your ball in front of another player’s marker and putt it. In match play, you would lose the hole. In stroke play, the penalty is two strokes, and you would have to continue with that ball until you hole out [Rule 20-7c]. If you think you may have committed what the rule book calls a “serious breach,” then you would have to play a second ball from the correct spot under Rule 3-3 (Doubt as to Procedure), report the facts to the Committee, and await its ruling. In this case, the Committee would probably rule that you had committed a serious breach if you gained a distinct advantage by putting from the wrong place (perhaps the wrong place was 20 feet closer to the hole!). You would be told to count the second ball, disregard the strokes played with the ball from the wrong place, and add a two-stroke penalty to your score. (If you did not play a second ball and the Committee ruled you had committed a serious breach, you would be disqualified.) An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure; this old adage is as applicable to golf as it is to life. None of the above golf “disasters” would happen if you would heed these simple suggestions: 1. Always draw distinctive marks on all your golf balls so that you can easily identify them. 2. If you mark someone else’s ball and set it aside, tell him so as soon as he is within earshot. 3. Store several ball markers in your golf bag. Use the one that is noticeably different from those of the other players in your group. And here’s a trick that will help you to remember when you have marked your ball a putter-head length to the side at another player’s request: Whenever you are asked to move your marker, place it upside-down on the green. When it’s your turn to putt, noticing your upside-down marker will remind you that you moved it and will need to replace it before putting.

2016 POY Predictions

The views expressed in this article are virtuously just for fun. No offense intended to anyone or ruffle somebody’s feathers. You can voice out your opinion by blogging this site. Point taken? So here we go, let’s have fun.

Back by not so popular demand, a prediction for SGC’s 2016 POY according to Las Vedas bookmakers. Las Vedas is somewhere located in Wannabee, Octavio in the mythical region of Peele. It was believed that this bookmaker agency went bankrupt 10 years ago because of alleged incorrect handling and miscalculation of sensible data.

Keep in mind that the odds respective to players were based on player’s performance of last year with relation to player’s handicap, assertiveness, health, as well as nomination of members by fellow members.

NO LASTNAME FIRSTNAME ODDS
1 CHEA MANNY 2:1
1 MONTILLA MIKE 2:1
3 MANGUERRA JIMMY 5:2
4 KIM BRIAN 4:1
4 QUERUBIN RENE 4:1
6 BALLARES PAOLO 5:1
6 ILAO EDDIE 5:1
6 NELSON DAVE 5:1
6 MONTILLA JC 5:1
6 RODRIGUEZ JULIO 5:1
11 DIZON JOJO 7:1
11 OH SEHO 7:1
13 BAUTISTA ROSS 9:1
13 CRUZ JOEY 9:1
15 MARQUEZ MANNY 10:1
15 PEÑA TONY 10:1
15 MAYO LINA 10:1
15 PACULABA JUN 10:1
19 MACAPAGAL RENATO 11:1
19 PLAZA REY 11:1
19 REYES RICKY 11:1
19 KIM SAM 11:1
19 MUNSON BONG 11:1
19 PASCUAL NAP 11:1
19 BONTIGAO SENNIX 11:1
26 WILSON RON 12:1
27 DEVEYRA MAR 17:1
28 DEOCA PAT 20:1
28 HALILI FRED 20:1
30 CERRUDO BERT In my dreams

Favourite: Two players at the top, Mike M. and Manny C. come out as co-favourites to win this year’s POY. Mike showed he could not be intimated by winning last year’s POY. He was chased by his peers as he led most of the way ‘til the end. A three-peat maybe? Manny C. could well be the sole favourite this year had it not been the handicap difference of almost 10 strokes between them. Would you also take into account Mike’s Jason Day’s pace of play which might play a factor too?

Remember me?: Let’s talk about Jimmy M. who is selected third for the coveted honour. Yeah, what about this guy? Jimmy has the tools to win the whole thing as his best grosser record would show. Jimmy has to play to his low handicap every time he tees off – not much of a margin of error. Hard to do folks but a few times we saw the absence of consistency and renunciation mounting easily to a round.

Fourth place tie favourite – Brian K. and Rene Q. Two different personalities but identical goal of playing consistently. The former being inaudible and discreet while the latter being boastful and fulfilled. Both players shrewdly not getting involved in any side play, just focus of playing consistently. Brian needs to play more as well.

The sleeper pick: Eddie I., Dave N., Paolo B., Julio R., and JC M. – Eddie I., the most semi-robotic like swing because of his length off the tee was having a David Duval year. David Duval after winning the Open Championship went into a downward spiral form prompting an extended break from the game. Eddie I. after winning 2013 POY never got back to his winning form. This might be the year again as Jojo D’s pick – a moral boast coming from a fellow member. Dave N., who is this masked guy? He owns one of the sweetest swings I’ve ever seen. If I may I’d like to ask Dave, have you ever played with less info in your head in a round? If so, you might have noticed that it was the best round you’ve ever played! Members call this next guy the “Silent Assassin”. Yes, Paolo B. When he is hot, he is super hot. A few times he’d score so low that nobody could ever get near – a day/night player. Paolo plays sooooo quietly, you’d think you play with a shadow. Julio R., not too much to say about this member as he did not play that much last year but his known skill level made him dangerously one of the sleeper picks. JC M. showed he could be up there with the rest of the top guns. He exhibited a run with the leaders last year and inspiringly placed fourth.

Picks from the outside looking in: Jojo D. and Seho O. – Jojo showing also a David Duval like syndrome, lost consistency in his game after winning POY two years ago. Could it be a case of handicap levelling out? Now we have SGC’s beloved Korean southpaw, Seho O. One of the nicest people in our club. He possesses the slowest backswing that you never thought would get there. Does he ever love to play golf? He could be the one this year quashing the saying that nice guy finishes last.

For the rest of us, optimistically we should discover consistency and the skills to our game that we left somewhere along the way. Apprehension does not concern the desire or lack thereof playing competitive golf. We can overcome whatever difficulties we have. Keep coercing ourselves to play good, have fun and no reason not to beat these guys mentioned above? And why not?

As for this writer, unless I get my bionic body parts transplant this year, my hope for winning the POY is just like getting invited to play the Masters at Augusta.

See you in three weeks.